updated July 10, 2003
of the week:
dog has been shivering/shaking and panting in abnormal ammounts
for a couple weeks. My vet thought it was hormones and suggested
spaying. I did that 5 days ago and she she is still sick. She is
drinking more and hardly eating, which only started after the spay.
The vet did some blood work and a physical and says she is healthy.
But she clearly is not. Any suggestions? I am clueless and I am
afraid she may die. I just want help as to what it COULD be so I
can have her tested for the right stuff. Thx."
are you located? Breed, age of dog, when it started and is she sleeping?
What was her personality like before this started? Has anything
changed in her daily routine? How long ago did she have her last
round of vaccinations/rabies shot? Any health problems/illness/injuries?
am in Ontario She is going to be 8 years old in August. She is a
black lab/springer spanial. It started a couple weeks ago. She does
sleep, in bits here and there, and she shivers while sleeping. She
had her shots a little over a month ago. She hasnt had injuries,
just the spaying. The doctor thought this was hormonal so he spayed
her but now she isnt eating and she's drinking more on top of the
shaking and panting. And she pants a lot. And she shakes so hard
its like she is vibrating. But she wags her tail when I talk to
her, doesnt wimper, is a little sucky but she DID just have sugery...
SO I am stumped... Thx for ur help, if u have any clues... let me
know plz -Aschley
First in - Lisa:
SO sounds physical. The dog had her "shots" a couple of weeks before
this started, so might consider exploring the vaccination angle.
Also, Thyroid isn't always included in the basic blood work and
once again, MSU is the gold standard in doggy thyroid testing. Beyond
that, you didn't get an answer to whether or not anything in her
life has changed...divorce, somebody going off to college, somebody
ill, change in work schedule, etc. What about massage and acupuncture?
Obviously I am not medically trained as hormonal doesn't come to
mind at all. Since my knowledge here is so incredibly limited, I
would tell this woman to drop everything and take her dog to as
many vets as it takes A.S.A.P. until she gets some answers. I say
this because although I think my own dog, Aggie would still have
died from the pulmonary condition she had, I still blame myself
daily for not getting her into the doctor a day or 2 sooner. It
may, or may not have made a difference, but who knows now? Would
thyroid problems enter into this at all? Kim? What would your take
on this be? Also, this girl is not a youngster. Spaying and neutering
generally lessen the chances of cancers and other diseases occurring
. With this dog being 8 years old and just spayed...... I don't
know. Maybe this would be a good time for us to get together and
have a mini seminar amongst ourselves and talk about some of the
symptoms of different ailments that our students tell us about in
their dogs.................... again, Kim???
thank heavens for Kim!
sorry but I am in my medical mind right now........ Have they taken
her back for a follow up exam? When was the dogs last heat cycle?
Is the dog on any antibiotics or pain meds? What did the blood test
include? Any other physical symptoms (change in hair coat, distended
belly)? Did she have any vaginal discharge or was she licking her
vulva "excessively" prior to surgery?
the owner is concerned the pet might die, why is she contacting
a trainer? If she is not getting answers from this vet, have them
refer her to an internal medicine specialist/vet school or seek
a second opinion.
if the dog and decreased appetite and increased water drinking prior
to the OHE at the age of 8 I would worry about pyometra (uterine
infection commonly seen in bitches about 8 years of age). I am concerned
that it may have been starting, and/or was an "open pyo" (meaning
the infection could drain out). Usually happens about 3 weeks after
heat cycle has completed.
have to think about this on a behavior basis, but am really not
comfortable that the dog seems to be exhibiting worse physical signs
(inappitence and increased H2O consumption). She needs to follow
just want help as to what it COULD be so I can have her tested for
the right stuff" ...
We as dog trainers are not qualified to answer this questions beyond
suggesting she ask for a referral to a "specialist". Kim
is so right - WHY is she emailing a trainer ... across the continent
I'm guessing because "the vet says she is healthy, but she
clearly is not."
She hit a dead end, and went elsewhere for answers.
are trainers, we may not
dispense veterinary advice - we don't have a veterinary degree.
My reply :
Hi Aschley - Your poor dog. Clearly there is something
going on with her.
I am not a veterinarian, I can only advise you as one dog owner
to another. You said your veterinarian did full blood workup, urinalysis
and that her tests came back clear? I wonder if her hormone levels
were off and that's what led to the spay recommendation? Chronic
pain could cause shivering and panting. Have they done x-rays to
see if there is anything going on structurally that could be painful
or if she swallowed something she shouldn't have that might be irritating
her stomach? A friend of mine's dog swallowed a rubber ball - which
didn't show up on x-rays and caused him all kinds of recurring pain
and stomach upset for several months before they did emergency exploratory
surgery (he crashed-the ball blocked the exit from the stomach to
the intestines) and found it.
it were my dog, I would get a second/third veterinary opinion NOW.
I might also contact a good homeopathic vet to explore the possibility
that this could be rabies miasm, vaccinosis, http://www.homeovet.net/content/articles_1.html
or something that homeopathy could put back in balance. Visit www.petsynergy.com
and contact email@example.com for more information or perhaps
a contact in your area. Tufts University in Boston has behavioral
experts who do long distance consults and can prescribe medications
for behavioral/mental/emotional issues. Here are the numbers I have
to reach them: (508) 839-7960 or (508)839-5395 x 4665, email: firstname.lastname@example.org,
shivering, lack of sleep and rapid respiration could be stress/fear
or pain related. If she was a happy go lucky, settled, calm dog
prior to a couple of weeks ago, you have to objectively look at
what is different now compared to the first 8 years of her life.
New noises, construction near your house (big machinery vibrating,
hammering, etc) screaming neighbors fighting, things like that.
Any emotional/physical trauma?
remember that any behavior that you pay attention to could be being
rewarded by your attention. Dogs often reflect your emotional state,
so if you are babying and stroking and asking her what's wrong,
you could be compounding the underlying cause - she could be stressing
over your stressing. Act normal, talk to her like nothing's wrong
and go do anything she really enjoys together and see how she acts.
will be very interested to hear what you find out - please let me
hope she replies ...
she did (with a little prompting) *S*
meant to write you a couple days ago but kept forgetting. Im a scatterbrain.
Since I had been over babying her lately I tried your suggestion
of treating her normally. I realized whenever I looked at her she
started shaking, so I told her "No!" firmly and my mum did the same.
She stopped within a day. The next day she was back to eating without
me hand feeding her, and now she is back to being totally like her
old self. You are so awesome, thx for the suggestion. I would have
NEVER thought she was acting mental cuz I was lol. If you wanna
see pics of Carly check out my little page for my pets =) For fun,
if u have the time *hehe* http://mysweeties.tripod.com
Thx again *huggz* Love Aschley"
the part I left out was simply to ignore the shivering. *S*
I am surprised and SO grateful for the learning opportunity! -Lisa